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		<title>By: Dave Stephens</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jan 2007 18:57:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[for a small firm like yours, what i believe you want is twofold:
a) provide options or straight-equity to drive &quot;ownership&quot; behavior
b) recognize that you&#039;re the Chief Marketing Officer as far as helping the team you&#039;ve built see the bright future you&#039;re small firm has..

you may have already done both of these things but i cannot stress their importance enough. 

as for incentives, they should be pretty different based on roles. for sales staff, i trust you already have sales quotas established with significant bonus payouts or accelerators based on over-achievement. for support staff, i think some sort of periodic review of customer satisfaction with the support experience combined with new ideas that bring support costs down over time are the right 2 measures to offer incentive-based pay on..  for your testers, you should be careful not to simply measure defects found but instead incent based perhaps on a combination of defects found, developer satisfaction with the testers, and new ideas that reduce the testing burden.

i&#039;ve always found incentives around developers the toughest. i wrote some about this in my initial piece. my guess is over a reasonable period of time you&#039;ll know who the best are - those should be candidates for nice bonuses and perhaps additional option consideration down the road.

not sure if these comments will prove helpful. i wish you the best of luck in retaining your team &amp; growing your business.

-dave]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>for a small firm like yours, what i believe you want is twofold:<br />
a) provide options or straight-equity to drive &#8220;ownership&#8221; behavior<br />
b) recognize that you&#8217;re the Chief Marketing Officer as far as helping the team you&#8217;ve built see the bright future you&#8217;re small firm has..</p>
<p>you may have already done both of these things but i cannot stress their importance enough. </p>
<p>as for incentives, they should be pretty different based on roles. for sales staff, i trust you already have sales quotas established with significant bonus payouts or accelerators based on over-achievement. for support staff, i think some sort of periodic review of customer satisfaction with the support experience combined with new ideas that bring support costs down over time are the right 2 measures to offer incentive-based pay on..  for your testers, you should be careful not to simply measure defects found but instead incent based perhaps on a combination of defects found, developer satisfaction with the testers, and new ideas that reduce the testing burden.</p>
<p>i&#8217;ve always found incentives around developers the toughest. i wrote some about this in my initial piece. my guess is over a reasonable period of time you&#8217;ll know who the best are &#8211; those should be candidates for nice bonuses and perhaps additional option consideration down the road.</p>
<p>not sure if these comments will prove helpful. i wish you the best of luck in retaining your team &amp; growing your business.</p>
<p>-dave</p>
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		<title>By: SUM</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jan 2007 06:42:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Am not sure if this thread is still alive. But I desperately need some advise.

I run a really small software company with 6 developers, 2 testers, 3 sales and support staff. In myr grand scheme of things, I hired, trained and created this core team for product development. 

Right now we are not profitable - hope to be so in the next few months. The demand for the skills that the team has is pretty high - essentially this means that they can leave when they want and finding a job will be no problem at all.

Now I need a decent incentive based salary structure that motivates the small team without causing them to unduly compete against each other.

Help!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Am not sure if this thread is still alive. But I desperately need some advise.</p>
<p>I run a really small software company with 6 developers, 2 testers, 3 sales and support staff. In myr grand scheme of things, I hired, trained and created this core team for product development. </p>
<p>Right now we are not profitable &#8211; hope to be so in the next few months. The demand for the skills that the team has is pretty high &#8211; essentially this means that they can leave when they want and finding a job will be no problem at all.</p>
<p>Now I need a decent incentive based salary structure that motivates the small team without causing them to unduly compete against each other.</p>
<p>Help!!</p>
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		<title>By: V C</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[V C]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Sep 2006 10:11:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree with most of the comments here; compensation is always problematic in large corps; it is a lot easier for startups/smaller companies (Setpoint wasn&#039;t too big and I think had 6-7 founders/owners so I&#039;m surprised by Dave&#039;s insights here;-)...

To make peformance-for-pay system work well in a large org, it is critical that all top managers are &quot;A&quot; players and each has &quot;ownership&quot; in the company...  In my experience, Bechtel - they are a $16+ Billion engineering-procurement-construction company - has done this quite well...  Every SVP is a partner/owner in the privately held holding company (s-corp!) and virtually all senior managers are &quot;A&quot; players who 

With today&#039;s technology, we can take the performance ranking to the next level - as we have done with our team members, a majority of whom are offshore.  All our team members do force ranking of other team members, and grade them on a scale of 0-10, all via online surveys... Also, in addition, they distribute a hypothethetical bonus pool amongst the team...  And, the client team members also provide similar feedback...  Thus, we can do a lot of things that the Big-Consulting firms do, at a fraction of costs/bandwidths by doing it all via online surveys.  Over past 12 months and 3 release cycles, we have followed this process, where final decisions are made by the team lead/manager and the cash incentives are 20-40% on top of above avg base salary...  As a result, we have a high performance team incld the 15+ offshore employees...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with most of the comments here; compensation is always problematic in large corps; it is a lot easier for startups/smaller companies (Setpoint wasn&#8217;t too big and I think had 6-7 founders/owners so I&#8217;m surprised by Dave&#8217;s insights here;-)&#8230;</p>
<p>To make peformance-for-pay system work well in a large org, it is critical that all top managers are &#8220;A&#8221; players and each has &#8220;ownership&#8221; in the company&#8230;  In my experience, Bechtel &#8211; they are a $16+ Billion engineering-procurement-construction company &#8211; has done this quite well&#8230;  Every SVP is a partner/owner in the privately held holding company (s-corp!) and virtually all senior managers are &#8220;A&#8221; players who </p>
<p>With today&#8217;s technology, we can take the performance ranking to the next level &#8211; as we have done with our team members, a majority of whom are offshore.  All our team members do force ranking of other team members, and grade them on a scale of 0-10, all via online surveys&#8230; Also, in addition, they distribute a hypothethetical bonus pool amongst the team&#8230;  And, the client team members also provide similar feedback&#8230;  Thus, we can do a lot of things that the Big-Consulting firms do, at a fraction of costs/bandwidths by doing it all via online surveys.  Over past 12 months and 3 release cycles, we have followed this process, where final decisions are made by the team lead/manager and the cash incentives are 20-40% on top of above avg base salary&#8230;  As a result, we have a high performance team incld the 15+ offshore employees&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Stephens</title>
		<link>http://stephensnexus.com/2006/09/28/performance-based-pay-thoughts-from-a-silicon-valley-guy/#comment-1419</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dave Stephens]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Sep 2006 02:51:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[1st I&#039;ll just agree and say I&#039;ve never seen a performance-for-pay system that was perfect either. And no, Oracle didn&#039;t somehow get it right.. I personally screwed up plenty of times - making mistakes in allocating and ranking. And often times the difficulty was just what the commenters say - that progressive management layers (up to a VP like me who did not know everyone by name in his organization, even though i tried)  were progressively clueless about the people they were ranking. So it was far from perfect. What I&#039;m left with though, is akin to the &quot;democracy is terrible except when compared to every other form of goverment&quot; type feeling. Performance rankings and performance for pay have all the problems they&#039;re accused of, but I think they are still better than an hourly salary and a totally disconnected workforce. Straight equity in the company might be better, but of course that only works for us small guys :)

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1st I&#8217;ll just agree and say I&#8217;ve never seen a performance-for-pay system that was perfect either. And no, Oracle didn&#8217;t somehow get it right.. I personally screwed up plenty of times &#8211; making mistakes in allocating and ranking. And often times the difficulty was just what the commenters say &#8211; that progressive management layers (up to a VP like me who did not know everyone by name in his organization, even though i tried)  were progressively clueless about the people they were ranking. So it was far from perfect. What I&#8217;m left with though, is akin to the &#8220;democracy is terrible except when compared to every other form of goverment&#8221; type feeling. Performance rankings and performance for pay have all the problems they&#8217;re accused of, but I think they are still better than an hourly salary and a totally disconnected workforce. Straight equity in the company might be better, but of course that only works for us small guys :)</p>
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		<title>By: AnonymousCoward</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Sep 2006 02:36:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here is why large companies can never get it right. Say a large company has a 6-tier hierarchy. Say a young D who is the best in his class-of joins this company as a leaf. Unless D-&gt;manager, D-&gt;manger-&gt;manager .. all the way up are also top performers, they won&#039;t be able to get enough budget for their group and as a result young D gets screwed. In large companies like MSFT and ORCL, I would be surprised if a VP can match a face to the name of every individual in his/her organization! So, VP of D will not have a clue about D and so there is no way D would get recognized for his extraordinary contribution. I have seen several examples of people leaving the company because they don&#039;t believe in their manager&#039;s potential. Remember, young D will sooner than later graduate and learn the work politics/culture and move on. Ofcourse, history may repeat, but at a different company.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is why large companies can never get it right. Say a large company has a 6-tier hierarchy. Say a young D who is the best in his class-of joins this company as a leaf. Unless D-&gt;manager, D-&gt;manger-&gt;manager .. all the way up are also top performers, they won&#8217;t be able to get enough budget for their group and as a result young D gets screwed. In large companies like MSFT and ORCL, I would be surprised if a VP can match a face to the name of every individual in his/her organization! So, VP of D will not have a clue about D and so there is no way D would get recognized for his extraordinary contribution. I have seen several examples of people leaving the company because they don&#8217;t believe in their manager&#8217;s potential. Remember, young D will sooner than later graduate and learn the work politics/culture and move on. Ofcourse, history may repeat, but at a different company.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Strovink</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eric Strovink]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Sep 2006 22:10:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s really hard to do performance-driven reviews fairly.  What if person A works less hard than B, but person A&#039;s departure would be a blow to the group (for example, s/he wrote a chunk of mission-critical code that only s/he understands)? Can I really afford to antagonize A, and reward B?  There&#039;s only so much money in the &quot;raise bucket,&quot; and as a manager, I&#039;m bonused on what I can deliver.  If A gets disgruntled and leaves, my schedule is in trouble, so what do I do?

Plus, if I reward only workaholics, what message is that sending?  I become a sweat shop like some of the video game development houses we&#039;ve been reading about.  Reminds me of a course I took at MIT, where only one problem set in the whole class was given a &quot;5&quot;.  If you got all the answers right, you got a &quot;4&quot;.  But if you went nuts on the problem set, submitted all kinds of extra work, etc., you might get the coveted &quot;5&quot;.  It was irritating and pointless and stupid (yes, I&#039;m talking to you, Mike Hammer).

Doing performance reviews has always reminded me of college admissions.  You have to let some of the alumni&#039;s C-student offspring attend, because otherwise you don&#039;t get any big checks at fund-raising time.  But at the same time, you can&#039;t afford to admit too many slackers, or overall student quality goes down.

The purest performance-based reviews are done by consulting firms.  They are absolutely consumed by reviews (as they must be, because only the tiniest fraction of &quot;associates&quot; can ever be allowed to become partners).  I&#039;ve seen consultant performance review forms that are staggeringly complex.  Peer reviews, manager reviews, partner reviews, customer feedback, self-analysis, critiques of the self-analysis, critiques of the critiques, and so on.  This process can consume a significant fraction of the aggregate IQ of the firm.

What seems to work best in my experience is when everyone owns a piece of the company, which usually ensures that all the oars are pulling together.   Problem is, in a big company it&#039;s awfully hard to divvy up the lousy few percent of equity that&#039;s typically made available by owners/investors, so that it has any material impact for the recipients.  And, the slacker problem can become an insoluble problem if an &quot;owner&quot; decides to stop pulling his/her weight.

Sales compensation is another supposedly performance-based model, which rewards by revenue contribution.  But, I have seen many examples of sales people (in the spend management vertical, too) being let go or forced out, because their commissions drive their income above that of jealous CxO&#039;s or sales managers.  The prospect of million-dollar years is always held out to sales people, but seldom does it occur more than once.  Next year, the million dollar baby finds his territory split up (&quot;you can&#039;t possibly handle all these accounts by yourself&quot;) or her compensation messed with (&quot;for really big deals, we&#039;re cutting the commission percentage way back&quot;).

Maybe Oracle got it right somehow, but I can&#039;t say I&#039;m overjoyed with any performance-based solution I&#039;ve ever seen.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s really hard to do performance-driven reviews fairly.  What if person A works less hard than B, but person A&#8217;s departure would be a blow to the group (for example, s/he wrote a chunk of mission-critical code that only s/he understands)? Can I really afford to antagonize A, and reward B?  There&#8217;s only so much money in the &#8220;raise bucket,&#8221; and as a manager, I&#8217;m bonused on what I can deliver.  If A gets disgruntled and leaves, my schedule is in trouble, so what do I do?</p>
<p>Plus, if I reward only workaholics, what message is that sending?  I become a sweat shop like some of the video game development houses we&#8217;ve been reading about.  Reminds me of a course I took at MIT, where only one problem set in the whole class was given a &#8220;5&#8243;.  If you got all the answers right, you got a &#8220;4&#8243;.  But if you went nuts on the problem set, submitted all kinds of extra work, etc., you might get the coveted &#8220;5&#8243;.  It was irritating and pointless and stupid (yes, I&#8217;m talking to you, Mike Hammer).</p>
<p>Doing performance reviews has always reminded me of college admissions.  You have to let some of the alumni&#8217;s C-student offspring attend, because otherwise you don&#8217;t get any big checks at fund-raising time.  But at the same time, you can&#8217;t afford to admit too many slackers, or overall student quality goes down.</p>
<p>The purest performance-based reviews are done by consulting firms.  They are absolutely consumed by reviews (as they must be, because only the tiniest fraction of &#8220;associates&#8221; can ever be allowed to become partners).  I&#8217;ve seen consultant performance review forms that are staggeringly complex.  Peer reviews, manager reviews, partner reviews, customer feedback, self-analysis, critiques of the self-analysis, critiques of the critiques, and so on.  This process can consume a significant fraction of the aggregate IQ of the firm.</p>
<p>What seems to work best in my experience is when everyone owns a piece of the company, which usually ensures that all the oars are pulling together.   Problem is, in a big company it&#8217;s awfully hard to divvy up the lousy few percent of equity that&#8217;s typically made available by owners/investors, so that it has any material impact for the recipients.  And, the slacker problem can become an insoluble problem if an &#8220;owner&#8221; decides to stop pulling his/her weight.</p>
<p>Sales compensation is another supposedly performance-based model, which rewards by revenue contribution.  But, I have seen many examples of sales people (in the spend management vertical, too) being let go or forced out, because their commissions drive their income above that of jealous CxO&#8217;s or sales managers.  The prospect of million-dollar years is always held out to sales people, but seldom does it occur more than once.  Next year, the million dollar baby finds his territory split up (&#8220;you can&#8217;t possibly handle all these accounts by yourself&#8221;) or her compensation messed with (&#8220;for really big deals, we&#8217;re cutting the commission percentage way back&#8221;).</p>
<p>Maybe Oracle got it right somehow, but I can&#8217;t say I&#8217;m overjoyed with any performance-based solution I&#8217;ve ever seen.</p>
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